Why create such a hassle for yourself? There are MANY foreign retailers that sell the G17 and if its a WE G17 you can buy CO2 mags for it too.........on Evike.... Hit the easy button.

I had an APS ACP- nozzle cracked after less than 600 bbs. Replaced nozzle and sold it. Also, the CO2 consumption was meh, could barely finish the 2nd refill of bbs. Plus, the unconventional style of CO2 installation isn't worth the alledged benefits (IMHO).

 

Why create such a hassle for yourself? There are MANY foreign retailers that sell the G17 and if its a WE G17 you can buy CO2 mags for it too.........on Evike.... Hit the easy button.

I had an APS ACP- nozzle cracked after less than 600 bbs. Replaced nozzle and sold it. Also, the CO2 consumption was meh, could barely finish the 2nd refill of bbs. Plus, the unconventional style of CO2 installation isn't worth the alledged benefits (IMHO).

I would prefer to use the frame on the Timberwolf. Also, paying close to $200 for a pistol to get to my door and slapping on a $100 slide does not feel right.

Also, the only reason I am going for the APS dmod system is because of how gas efficient it is (also to guarantee that I can actually use it in the heat).The unconventional co2 installation does make the magazine work as a regulator.

I have also not heard much of anything pleasant about WE magazines. I think I would rather fumble around trying to install CO2 than deal with constant leaky mags.

Still a good suggestion.

Edit: revisited the WE co2 mags. Not even going to consider them. Riddled with design flaws. Going to go for the APS Dmod mags.

 

Shop around. Cost me less than $120 to my door. Soo, Idk where you're looking. I have 3 WE CO2 mags. Only problem I've had was I had to shave plastic flash of the inside of the feed lips (QC issue) "Riddled with design flaws?" Explain and provide evidence or stop spreading heresay.

 

Shop around. Cost me less than $120 to my door. Soo, Idk where you're looking. I have 3 WE CO2 mags. Only problem I've had was I had to shave plastic flash of the inside of the feed lips (QC issue) "Riddled with design flaws?" Explain and provide evidence or stop spreading heresay.

http://www.evike.com/products/44271/

*poor threads strip easily

******* aluminum screw, some come with the steel but come on!

*leakier than the bladder of someone in a coma

Not to mention that they cost more than the APS dmod mags. I would prefer not to gamble with WE mags.

Edit: not trying to prove you wrong, I just don't want to gamble with the quality I will get.

Edit 2: I am at the mercy of my parents as far as purchases, and I already know that they don't like buying things from other countries if they can help it.

 

Update: confirmation that a TM spec slide will fit the Timberwolf, and that the APS magazines will work in TM glocks. Project will commence soon hopefully.

 

The Timberwolf is internally identical to a WE G17. The slide and frame are licensed by Timberwolf, which is why it can be sold stateside without getting knocked out by Glock. So in essence...you're just buying an overpriced, dressed up WE for more than it would cost to get a real WE Glock from Asia.

 

The Timberwolf is internally identical to a WE G17. The slide and frame are licensed by Timberwolf, which is why it can be sold stateside without getting knocked out by Glock. So in essence...you're just buying an overpriced, dressed up WE for more than it would cost to get a real WE Glock from Asia.

I found one used for under $100. Besides, I have to make purchases with my parents, and I already know their stance on importing purchases from other countries. Also, I prefer the look of the Timberwolf frame.

 

My mags cost me $18ea, NEW on Evike. Haven't had issues with leaks so far, nor thread stripping. I wouldn't be surprised if the "theard stripping" was actually a ruhtard cross threading it (I'd bet on it actually). There's actually a vid on YT in which a dumbass has a KWC M712 and he cross threads the CO2 cap UPSIDE DOWN! It doesn't end well, but its hilarious watching such supreme stupidity!

 

My mags cost me $18ea, NEW on Evike. Haven't had issues with leaks so far, nor thread stripping. I wouldn't be surprised if the "theard stripping" was actually a ****** cross threading it (I'd bet on it actually). There's actually a vid on YT in which a dumbass has a KWC M712 and he cross threads the CO2 cap UPSIDE DOWN! It doesn't end well, but its hilarious watching such supreme stupidity!

Lol. Are you using the EMG ones? I am personally not a fan of their "realistic" capacity, but they seem good. Still planning on using the APS mags.

 

Easy to fix/change the "realistic" capacity.

 

Easy to fix/change the "realistic" capacity.

You just saved me money.

 

Sorry for the double post, but can someone compare the threading and size of the co2 cap for the WE CO2 magazines with the fill valve from a regular WE green gas mag? Just an odd curiosity that can potentially lead to a wonderful solution.

 

Fill valve on most gbb's are like ~5mm. Co2 end caps are bigger than the powerlets, so 18-20mm'ish. Regular we gbb mag would pop in your hand if you tried to put ~700psi liquid co2 into it

 

Fill valve on most gbb's are like ~5mm. Co2 end caps are bigger than the powerlets, so 18-20mm'ish. Regular we gbb mag would pop in your hand if you tried to put ~700psi liquid co2 into it

I am thinking more about installing a fill valve in a WE co2 magazine. I did some research, and KJW fill valves can hold up to it (and a guy straight out stuck liquid co2 into a KJW green gas mag to demonstrate that it works, dude also made a video where he demonstrated r410a in a green gas mag, got 93 dry fires out of it). Now, all I need are the fill valves, mags, and the tools to perform the conversion.

I need to know what the threads are on a KJW fill valve, and where to find a tap for it.

Edit: found it. Threads into 10-32.

Conversion process: glue co2 cap into co2 magazine via thread lock, jb weld, or similar high strength glue. Let cure.

Drill a hole into the center of the cap with a #21 drill bit, then use the 10-32 tap to give it threads.

Wrap the threads on the KJW fill valve with plumber's tape and install.

Screw on the fill adapter to your CO2 paintball tank, flip the mag upside down, and fill as if it were green gas. Put mag in water to check for leaks.

Edit2: going to use the Rap4 adapter, as that has already been proven to work with the Devilhunter mod for GHK M4 and AK gbbr mags. The other options would have been the APS paintball adapter (nozzle is considerably different, meant for their shot shells), Madbull (can't transfer liquid), and S thunder (**** design, people have a hard time just getting it on the tank due to bad tolerances).

This modification may also allow the safe usage of other high pressure refrigerants, such as r410a. Going to test it once I have the funds to buy everything I need.

 

Double check your we co2 mag design. If it has a piercing needed that seals to the powerlet neck, the mag housing isn't holding the pressure like the aps co2 mags are. The fill valve won't need Teflon on the threads. It seals via the oring on the head. Teflon tape won't ever seal straight threads on anything. It's not designed to. And I'd double check your threads for the fill valve too. If it's coming out of Asia or Europe, it won't be 10-32 threads. That size will thread into a version 2 spring guide, but it's actually a metric thread (M5-0.8 if I remember right, which is 31.75 tpi...)

 

Double check your we co2 mag design. If it has a piercing needed that seals to the powerlet neck, the mag housing isn't holding the pressure like the aps co2 mags are. The fill valve won't need Teflon on the threads. It seals via the oring on the head. Teflon tape won't ever seal straight threads on anything. It's not designed to. And I'd double check your threads for the fill valve too. If it's coming out of Asia or Europe, it won't be 10-32 threads. That size will thread into a version 2 spring guide, but it's actually a metric thread (M5-0.8 if I remember right, which is 31.75 tpi...)

I don't own any of the components yet, this is mere speculation and concepts. I did not even think about whether or not the co2 will even go into the mag itself. APS mags may need to be used. The teflon is more to help keep the valve in there without actually gluing it. The fill valves will be sourced from EVIKE (they have them and their shipping to Texas is much better in my experience), and I will look into the threading further.

This is why I discuss my plans and intentions before I buy any of the equipment.

Edit: APS main cap is M20 X 1mm, does anyone know the threading for the co2 piercer in the center? I assume it is the same threads with a different width, but I may be wrong.

Edit2: confirmation that fill valves use a metric thread, but the 10-32 is actually slightly tighter, so no need for teflon tape

Still need the threads that are for the co2 piercer on the bottom cap of the CO2 magazine.

Edit3: apparently, the APS co2 mags actually have a regulator in the piercer,and the walls are not built to hold liquid co2. I may have to just have to make a co2 cartridge permanent as a gas reservoir, and tap the bottom for a fill valve that will also be part of the cap. I am thinking that I am going to have to use JB weld, a lot of JB weld.

Edit4: possibly got a new procedure

Drill hole in bottom of co2 cap for fill valve (enlarge the top end so valve recedes)

Drill hole into bottom of empty co2 cartridge for extended end of fill valve

Add JB weld and reassemble magazine

Let cure before adding gas to check for leaks

Once tested, empty the mag and fill it with liquid co2 like you would a green gas mag, and test fire

 

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwo.../redwolf/airsoft/Accessories_GBB_Valves_Kits_MadBull_Steel_Refill_Valves_x3.htm

They are good fill valves, co2 rated.

This whole idea seems much over complicated to just buying powerlets in bulk package sizes.

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Green gas/propane would be much simpler, but your parents disapprove of it (silly imho) but they're ok with you potentially shredding your hand playing around with jb welding bits & pieces together to fill with liquid charged co2.
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http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwo.../redwolf/airsoft/Accessories_GBB_Valves_Kits_MadBull_Steel_Refill_Valves_x3.htm

They are good fill valves, co2 rated.

This whole idea seems much over complicated to just buying powerlets in bulk package sizes.

[rant]
Green gas/propane would be much simpler, but your parents disapprove of it (silly imho) but they're ok with you potentially shredding your hand playing around with jb welding bits & pieces together to fill with liquid charged co2.
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I have not even talked to my parents about this idiotic idea, and even then I will once I figure our all the kinks. They don't like the idea of green gas since the containers are not safe at all, and propane's scent additive will stink up my gear and, potentially, my entire closet, including my church clothes. That is even before mentioning how flammable propane is. My dad knows his ****, and he makes the decisions on this stuff.

As far as safety, I am only iffy about JB welding a potentially structurally compromised canister to a fill valve without leaks or potential for it to go boom.

Alternatively, I could just use duster, which is only mildly flammable, but can only function during a hot day due to its properties.

I do agree, using propane would be much simpler, but it not my decision. Anyways, I am starting to think that maybe it would be better if I instead found a way to use r410a or a similar non flammable refrigerant.

 

Get 50 rounders and hpa it

 

Get 50 rounders and hpa it

Lol. Actually, what got me thinking about this whole unsafe pos idea was a guy on Youtube (diy kid of dude) who demonstrated a KJW M9 gbb pistol firing r410a (no chrono unfortunately), and also demonstrated that KJW hicapa mags work with liquid CO2 (all he did was modify the release valve so it threaded deeper into the mag, as the pressure was great enough to work around it before, he just had to use a bit of material as a spacer).

I am starting to think that the G series just is not for me. It would he significantly cheaper and simpler for me to get into KJW hicapas, and go from there.

Edit: found 'em.

Edit: can't believe I just now realized that this is Devilhunter. His conversion for GHK mags are all over the gassguns.com forum.

Mods, feel free to close this thread, as I have wisely decided against diving into this horrible idea. *scrolls through Participated looking for my "bad ideas" thread*